Abortion: Where do they go? To Heaven, Hell or Oblivion
By Dennis L. Siluk
July 27, 2004
I stopped my practice about three years ago in counseling, and one of the most frequent questions asked of me, was (from females): "Whatever happened[s] to my baby?" referring to an abortion; in essence: where does the child go? For some odd reason, they want to know - unknowingly - figure it has to go someplace; before it was a tumor in their stomach. But I don't tell them that, only you folks. Now to start this article I will simply make it clear, I am not for abortion - point black (that is just the way it is), but that does not mean, or constituted my sole position on it. When I'm asked that question, I follow up on: "Are you a Christian?" or even, "Do you want a Christian view?" Any other kind of view is simply not good enough I feel, why ask me the question then. I mean a sack of potatoes rots, and that is where my answer would be if I was not a Christian, and was asked that question. But because I am, that is where my answer is going to come from, in essence, from the Jewish Talmud, or Judaism's Tanakh (The Torah ((the Pentateuch), or five books of Moses; the Prophets ((Nevi'im), etc.); and the Writings (Kethuvim); and Christ's view from the New Testament - I already know the Supreme Court's view.
My first statement normally would be: "Abortion is not the unpardonable sin," this is a true statement within the doctrine of Christianity. Taking a life is a sin, yes, but not an unpardonable one. Normally their face is not pale now, but it wasn't really the reason they came, was it - they came because they wanted to hear about the infant, the fetus if you will. But I can't jump into this until they know the background to this, for even though it is not the unpardonable sin, it is not a license to continue in this infanticide mandate. If one was to read Psalms in the Old Testament, they would find the word: "Righteousness." And one needs to look at that before I give them the answer they are looking for, for abortion is a most serious issue. I can't remember the data on lives taken but I do remember some number between 1.5 to 3-million abortions a year in America. They are old statistics I do believe.
Now I could get into quoting the medical chromosomes conception theory to justify the life of the fetus, but this article needs to stick with the woman's question, and so I shall try; and to be honest, when she comes to me and asks that question, she has already dealt with that 28-day after conception issue, where the heart begins to beat. So there is no sense in kicking her when she is already down.
Let me point out also at this stage of the letter: one of my daughters had an abortion, the other thought about it, and didn't. And I tried to be there for both of them, what more can one do.
We can go to Genesis 1:27, and look at God's law if we wish, if we seek the Creator's mind on this issue. I should also point out, before someone else does, the Bible per se, does not make a definitional distinction between womb, child after birth and child per se; not to my knowledge anyhow, for even John the Baptist is referred to as a child in the Book of Luke, as are - or were - infants killed by the Pharaoh, referred to. But again, this is not where we want to end up: this is just the path I'm taking. And in Ephesians it acknowledges by nature we are the children of wrath, thus saying we existed from conception.
Moses had a hard way of putting the law of God into perspective, he indicated should a infant be taken by the womb due to neglect of injury, her life would also be taken (Exodus Ch. 21). Some hard core rules back then. And so the mind of God is clear on this matter, and it sews up one of my points. It is a value God put into mankind and womankind, and somewhere down the road of life, if an abortion was taken, and you are Christian, it will haunt you (for you are violating your own plus God's values), and I dare say, even if you are not a person of God, it can haunt you. What God put in us, it is hard for us to close all the doors so no guilt or shame creeps in.
Abortion in essence is a rejection of God's given life, normally not the person doing the abortion gets the knife though, they get to live their days out, and it's the child as we all know who gets the raw deal. Check out Proverbs 24, if you are interested in biblical knowledge in this area of feticide. In Jer. 1:5, he says "... before I formed you in the belly..." Now remember, this article is not for people trying not to recover from their abortion, it is for those woman who are seeking God's answer, His voice for what happens to the child. The Supreme Court [Roe v. Wade] says women can do as they please, and so I honor that, but they are not God, and do not have to live with the curse that seeps into this genocide, or homicide.
[Your answer] King David of the Old Testament, made a profound statement, that was written down, plus he was considered "A man after God's own Heart." Oh he did his dirty work, I know, but haven't we all. In any case I will take his word as biblical proof: he said in essence, when asked after his child died, where his child was. And his answer was, in Heaven, with God Almighty. Now how can this be? What he was really saying was the child had no formal reasoning - thus, what sin was he guilty of: nothing. Yes we are born with "original sin," but that does not constitute committing a sin - or knowledge of the sin. I might be born with gout, from my forefathers, but it will normally have no reaction on me until I am older. So rest assure, if your child was not conceived, and aborted he or she will end up in heaven. The sad part is the child will end up there no matter if you like it or not, will you?
Incidentally, the women are usually quite relieved to hear that.
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July 27, 2004
I stopped my practice about three years ago in counseling, and one of the most frequent questions asked of me, was (from females): "Whatever happened[s] to my baby?" referring to an abortion; in essence: where does the child go? For some odd reason, they want to know - unknowingly - figure it has to go someplace; before it was a tumor in their stomach. But I don't tell them that, only you folks. Now to start this article I will simply make it clear, I am not for abortion - point black (that is just the way it is), but that does not mean, or constituted my sole position on it. When I'm asked that question, I follow up on: "Are you a Christian?" or even, "Do you want a Christian view?" Any other kind of view is simply not good enough I feel, why ask me the question then. I mean a sack of potatoes rots, and that is where my answer would be if I was not a Christian, and was asked that question. But because I am, that is where my answer is going to come from, in essence, from the Jewish Talmud, or Judaism's Tanakh (The Torah ((the Pentateuch), or five books of Moses; the Prophets ((Nevi'im), etc.); and the Writings (Kethuvim); and Christ's view from the New Testament - I already know the Supreme Court's view.
My first statement normally would be: "Abortion is not the unpardonable sin," this is a true statement within the doctrine of Christianity. Taking a life is a sin, yes, but not an unpardonable one. Normally their face is not pale now, but it wasn't really the reason they came, was it - they came because they wanted to hear about the infant, the fetus if you will. But I can't jump into this until they know the background to this, for even though it is not the unpardonable sin, it is not a license to continue in this infanticide mandate. If one was to read Psalms in the Old Testament, they would find the word: "Righteousness." And one needs to look at that before I give them the answer they are looking for, for abortion is a most serious issue. I can't remember the data on lives taken but I do remember some number between 1.5 to 3-million abortions a year in America. They are old statistics I do believe.
Now I could get into quoting the medical chromosomes conception theory to justify the life of the fetus, but this article needs to stick with the woman's question, and so I shall try; and to be honest, when she comes to me and asks that question, she has already dealt with that 28-day after conception issue, where the heart begins to beat. So there is no sense in kicking her when she is already down.
Let me point out also at this stage of the letter: one of my daughters had an abortion, the other thought about it, and didn't. And I tried to be there for both of them, what more can one do.
We can go to Genesis 1:27, and look at God's law if we wish, if we seek the Creator's mind on this issue. I should also point out, before someone else does, the Bible per se, does not make a definitional distinction between womb, child after birth and child per se; not to my knowledge anyhow, for even John the Baptist is referred to as a child in the Book of Luke, as are - or were - infants killed by the Pharaoh, referred to. But again, this is not where we want to end up: this is just the path I'm taking. And in Ephesians it acknowledges by nature we are the children of wrath, thus saying we existed from conception.
Moses had a hard way of putting the law of God into perspective, he indicated should a infant be taken by the womb due to neglect of injury, her life would also be taken (Exodus Ch. 21). Some hard core rules back then. And so the mind of God is clear on this matter, and it sews up one of my points. It is a value God put into mankind and womankind, and somewhere down the road of life, if an abortion was taken, and you are Christian, it will haunt you (for you are violating your own plus God's values), and I dare say, even if you are not a person of God, it can haunt you. What God put in us, it is hard for us to close all the doors so no guilt or shame creeps in.
Abortion in essence is a rejection of God's given life, normally not the person doing the abortion gets the knife though, they get to live their days out, and it's the child as we all know who gets the raw deal. Check out Proverbs 24, if you are interested in biblical knowledge in this area of feticide. In Jer. 1:5, he says "... before I formed you in the belly..." Now remember, this article is not for people trying not to recover from their abortion, it is for those woman who are seeking God's answer, His voice for what happens to the child. The Supreme Court [Roe v. Wade] says women can do as they please, and so I honor that, but they are not God, and do not have to live with the curse that seeps into this genocide, or homicide.
[Your answer] King David of the Old Testament, made a profound statement, that was written down, plus he was considered "A man after God's own Heart." Oh he did his dirty work, I know, but haven't we all. In any case I will take his word as biblical proof: he said in essence, when asked after his child died, where his child was. And his answer was, in Heaven, with God Almighty. Now how can this be? What he was really saying was the child had no formal reasoning - thus, what sin was he guilty of: nothing. Yes we are born with "original sin," but that does not constitute committing a sin - or knowledge of the sin. I might be born with gout, from my forefathers, but it will normally have no reaction on me until I am older. So rest assure, if your child was not conceived, and aborted he or she will end up in heaven. The sad part is the child will end up there no matter if you like it or not, will you?
Incidentally, the women are usually quite relieved to hear that.
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